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Unfair dismissal for hungover postman who missed work

This discussion is about the case Unfair dismissal for hungover postman who missed work


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29 Nov 2008 10:07AM

Nigel Dupree
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Shame on Royal Mail for treating it's most valuable asset 'HR' as a bit of 'kit' and three cheers for human Tribunal who appear to have come to a balanced decission highlighting missed opportunities for employee and employer.

Without "Positive regard" for operational equipment and appropriate planned routine maintenance programs and crash recovery or rehabilitive schemes in place presenteeism will remain biggest risk to productivity where performance is impaired by the 'friendly fire' of omissions in "Duty of Care" .....

Also a wake up call for 'operational equipment' as if you don't fullfil your duty of care responsibilities by report potential hazards & stressors affecting your performance and well-being you will be found contributory neglegent.......



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1 Dec 2008 1:12PM

John Maltby
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Great, first we had a duvet day on fridays now we have got a hangover day on mondays!! "sorry I cannot make it to work today as I got smashed out of mind during the weekend and theirs nothing you can do about it unless you send me away to some special clinic at great expense to you. As for all my work, every one else will have to do it. Bye the way I may not be in tomorrow as its the pub landlords cat's birthday and their having a party!!! cheers Hic!"



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2 Dec 2008 8:54AM

Diane Roberts
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John - you're missing the point here.

The point being that ~Royal Mail failed to act immediately, leaving a gap of 3 months between the last absence and dismissal.

Had they acted immediately, holding return to work interviews followed by their disciplinary procedure, then the outcome would have been different. The unfair part stems from their being an unreasonable delay.

You wll note that the tribunal still held the employee 75% liable...



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2 Dec 2008 10:10AM

Nigel Dupree
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Oh dear, seam to have stimulated a little sort of judgemental reaction to my comments on the balanced almost 'parental' King Soloman way a tribunal dealt with a breakdown in relationships between employee and employer.

Absenteeism maybe a heads-up early warning of a work/life coping problem but, like presenteeism and other H & S performance risk related issues, if no one is listening then no one is going to anticipate the preventable injury or even notice the chain-of-causation leading up to the so called unintentional and unforeseen yet predictable sort of ACCIDENT.

Ooooops, nevermind, tooo late Ethal or Columbia or whoev-eeer, wha-eveeer, you already know we is goin to ave an enquiry and learn lessons so never gonna appen again in it - until the next time.........

Just as well most lawyers and judges better at separating their "professional ideologies" from their 'personal ideologies' long enough at work to recognise that whilst Mary Poppins may be 'practically perfict' the rest of us are not and will fit somewhere on the spectrum from trying to be reasonably good to being in denial just how poor we really are at our managing work lives.

Then again in todays hostile insidiously stressful tick-box fear driven working environment there will be a significant number of us who will have given up, sacrificed their integrety and dignity to 'say noffing about noffink' in a desperate attempt just to stay off the knit-picky radar and survive long enough to escape with their worthless pension intact.

If they live that long as the only problem with that strategy is that their health and performance will decline over time leaving them at significantly greater risk of stress related mental or immuno-supressed ill health from prostate cancer to cardio vascular disease etc....

Never mind, Collateral Damage to UK human resources IS reaching critical mass, the powers that be ARE worried enough to make some effort by introduce "Well-Notes", fostering CSR and Corporate Manslaughter !

So, don't worry Jim'll fix-it and these anti-apathy measures will provide a fundamental shift change from Friendly Fire of omission to "compliance" in duty of care and all will be "wellness" in the transition toward euthenasia and salient green as a solution to sustainable food and power...................



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2 Dec 2008 12:31PM

Kevin Brown
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D'you mean Soylent Green?



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3 Dec 2008 8:36AM

Nigel Dupree
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Probably, may have been a little late with medication when wrote that KO....

Maybe a one or two people not old to recognise reference as well in the our plugged in Matrix sort off virtual world where second life infinately better than the real world............ perhaps we could start a 'bring back' the Clangers, watch with mother, spotty dog, ivor the engine, reubard and custard and all and all...



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3 Dec 2008 9:15AM

Daniel Sweeney
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Three calming little words Nigel. Vallium, Mogadon and Librium.
Mind you we probably get some 'knock off' alternative version under the NLP version of the National Health Service.



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3 Dec 2008 7:33PM

Nigel Dupree
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Think i got flouride in my water instead of Prozac -

Hampshire not very forward thinking especially as council particularly LEA not a happy place to work........... so i'm told that is - alegedly wha-eveeeer





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