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Stephen Smith
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For crying out loud why is this such a problem. The point is "Staff at a local council have been asked..." that is "asked" not ordered, demanded, or sacked if they don't comply (although you can't really sack an elected member)
Is it really too much for people, particularly elected members, who are representing the people of their community not to have a biscuit at their meeting!
Why is this such a problem?
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Stephen Smith
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Fantastic idea, the smokers have had their bit of help, it is now the turn of everyone else.
Can't help thinking that this should be assisted by the NHS/Government as this is not entirely an employers problem.
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Stephen Smith
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My employer deals with this simply...
If time is taken off at the end of the week, when I return to work after the weekend they simply ask when I would have been fit for work. If this was a Saturday then that is fine.
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Stephen Smith
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As I understand it the provision, or not, of First aid kits in vehicles is subject to an "assessment of need". This would take into account the type of work undertaken, and the likelihood and type of injury, and be "adequate and appropriate in the circumstances".
Further guidance is available from HSE - First aid at work ACOP and guidance L74 – HSE books - should be available on the website.
From personal experience first aid kits suitable for vehicles have limited content, and as not all drivers are first aid trained, they have limited use.
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Stephen Smith
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Totally agree with both of you.
Contractors and builders see the risk of getting caught and the following penalty is low to nil. Therefore they undertake their own version of a risk assessment (ie will I get caught) and just get on with it.
More visible on the ground inspection/instruction is required from the HSE.
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Stephen Smith
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Your COSHH assessments should identify the risks involved, but their datasheets for the toner we use describes it as "...classed by IARC as group 2B carcinogen... carbon black in this preparation, due to its bound form, does not present this carcinogenic risk.
Check the COSHH datasheet/ COSHH assessment for your copier toner for more direct advice.
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Stephen Smith
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It looks like it is time to get everyone together in a room for a couple of hours and talk? (including Corporate H&S perhaps or some other mediator).
Do you have any colleagues in similar posts that you could get together with?
It seems that everyone is looking after each other instead of pulling together.
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Stephen Smith
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I agree with David Trigger. Whether you need a formal training course is up for discussion, but at the very least you should have detailed instruction in how to use the equipment day to day, otherwise how can you do your job? Are you supposed to guess and hope all is OK?
Even if you ignore the safety side, how are you to know the most efficient/economical way to operate the plant. Your management may be more receptive if you start discussing in this way - money talks. If the school/pool closes for any reason they will be an effect on revenue or publicity.
Does your School/local authority have a central Health and Safety section that could advise?
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Stephen Smith
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The H&S File gives the H&S aspects of maintaining/operating the building, it does not need to give information on the day to day operation of systems. In fact the ACOP encourages you to leave it out so as not to make an overly large document that no-one would ever look at.
Therefore Bob, I believe that you are correct that an element of training to carry out your duties safely and correctly is essential. I cannot see why your manager would think otherwise.
Just a point though, it would be a matter of courtesy to contact the Architect/main contractor before the M&E contractors as in all probabilities the M&E was working under contract to them and not the client. It may avoid some contractual difficulties later on.
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Stephen Smith
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Under the CDM Regs the Health and Safety File should actually be given to the Client (as defined by CDM), which might not be the owner of the building, therefore you may have to search a bit further than the Architect.
The Architect should be able to point you in the correct direction though.







